" My friends and my road-fellows, pity the nation that is full of beliefs and empty of religion.
Pity the nation that wears a cloth it does not weave, eats a bread it does not harvest, and drinks a wine that flows not from its own winepress.
Pity the nation that acclaims the bully as hero, and that deems the glittering conqueror bountiful.
Pity the nation that despises a passion in its dream, yet submits in its awakening.
Pity the nation that raises not its voice save when it walks in a funeral, boasts not except when its neck is laid between the sword and the block.
Pity the nation whose statesman is a fox, whose philosopher is a juggle, and whose art is the art of patching and mimicking.
Pity the nation that welcomes its new ruler with trumpetings, and farewells him with hootings, only to welcome another with trumpetings again.
Pity the nation whose sages are dumb with years and whose strong men are yet in the cradle.
Pity the nation divided into fragments, each fragment deeming itself a nation."
Khalil Gibran (1934)
Tuesday, March 3, 2009
Monday, December 8, 2008
Religion
Religion should be analysed by the good deeds of it on people and not by the bad deed of people on religion......
[edit]Skildring
Scebe from Razmnama, or Book of Wars 1761 - 1763 Source: http://www.
Desctription: This painting is from the Razmnama or Book of Wars which is the Persian translation of the Sanskrit epic Mahabharata. Naqib Khan was commissioned by Akbar (ruled 1556-1605) to produce the translation for circulation to the Amirs in furtherance of Akbar's desire to promote understanding between Muslims and Hindus. It was often copied in the following centuries. This copy in three volumes has 134 illustrations painted on card with floral borders. Here the patriarch Bhishma is shown dying pierced with many arrows under an immense ficus tree, watched over by Krishna and the five Pandava brothers. Except for Krishna, the figures are dressed in Islamic armour and robes.
We Indians should start understanding each other rather than misunderstand...
Monday, August 11, 2008
Final response from Mohan (Nuclear Issue )
Dear Mohanettan
I agree you are a staunch anti communist but our issue is not pro communist or anti communist we are talking abt Nuclear deals and u havent answered my worries regarding the deal which was detailed to u earlier, whenever a question is asked, you reply abt communist or any of their leader. I am Rajasekhar here not Karat and i hope you will respond to my earlier mails by going through the mail and answering the poins and facts i mentioned. Instead u r spitting venom on Communist blindly sayng communists are traitors,they may be traitors, i dont know. Our issue is Nuclear deal, please anwer my questions give me a Centrist reply.
Appucoool
Mohan Menon to me
Appu, I have replied to your issues. What I have been saying is - PLEASE SEE IF THIS WORKS OUT. You can always come out of the deal if it is against the country's interests. Comrade Nasim has provided lot of statistics. He has picked these data from Desabhimani and Peoples Democracy. Now,anybody can give any sort of information without providing the actual source. Your friends specialise in giving mutilated data which is beneficial for the party's propaganda. One thing your friend has ot mentioned is that in the long run nuclear energy will be much cheaper than coal based energy. As I have already mentioned, coal reserves in the country will not last for more than 40 years. Coal is one of the main reasons for high pollution in Eastern India. Living in South you are not aware of the havoc it can cause to the environment. Nuclear energy will work out to be cheaper than hydel power in future.It is the cleanest energy. Your friend talks about nuclear disasters. Of course disasters canhappen anywhere and the causes could be both natural and manmade.With adequate protectio accidents can always be prevented. What happened in Chernobyle ( in the erstwhile Soviet Union) was utter negiligence. The disaster happened because because of total neglect. Repeatedly you and your friend have been saying that we will be bound to USA once this deal becomes operational. It is a blatent propaganda that India will have to purchase nuclear fuel only from USA. There are 43 other countries from whom India can buy nuclear fuel. The 44 country NSG(Nuclear Suppliers Group) have stopped supplying nuclear fuel to the country after the 1999 Pokhran test. Not only this, no one can prevent us from sourcing our own nuclear fuel. Even China has signed an Agreement with USA but with much lessor concessions that were offered to India. Pakistan would like to sign but the USA is unwilling. After the collapse of Soviet Union, USA remains the only super power in the world whether the leftists like it or not.
APJ Abdul Kalam a true son of India has very unambigiously stated that the deal is good for the country. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, a person with highest integrity wants the deal to go through. I have not gone through the full text of the agreement. You too hve not gone through the Agreement. Both of us rely on what the respective leaders say. I unequivocally trust APJ Abdul Kalam and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and definitely NOT Karat and his gang. You with your leftist leanings are parroting what Deshabhimani and Peoples Democracy is churning out day in and day out. APJ and Prime Minister are patriots but the same cannot be said of your friends . The less be said about them the better and I would not like to repeat what I have said about them in my previous mails. As an individual you are one of the nicest person I have come across. Most unfortunately, you are very much biased in favour of Leftist ideology. It is highly regrettable that anintelligent person liek you could be so subjective and absolutely subservient to a particular view point. My request to you is - please be objective; do not blindly follow what your comrades preach.
Appu, I do claim myself to b a Centrist. I was and is a stringent critic of Gandhi/Nehru family.I was also initally impressed with Buddababu because what I thought he was takeing the state of West Bengal back to its days of glory when Dr B C Roy ( one of the ablest Chief Minister the country ever had. He was also one of the top physician in the country those days) industrialised the state. During his days WB was No 1 in India followed by Maharashtra.But Buddhababu unfortunately has fallen into the trap of the party and West Bengal is back to square one. I am a great admirer of Atal Bihar Vajpayee and I appreciate BJP for their principled stand against pampering of minorities soley for the purpose of creating vote banks. That is all. I do not support them for what happened in Gujarat. I support Manmohan Singh and Narasimha Rao for bringing reforms in the country which your leftist comrades had so vehementlyopposed then ( 1991). I did not support Narasimha Rao for bing a mute spectator when the Babri Masjid was demolished by the the RSS/VHP groups.Till recently I was a critic of Manmohan Singh since I found him to be unwilling to take on the Leftists who were against any form of reforms. Now that the garbage ( Leftists) has been dumped and the P M has stated that he will be going for Banking/Insurance reforms, Pension reforms, I support him. I support anyone whom I feel is interested to take the country forward. Past experience has shown that your comrades with their dogmatic ideology can never bring in prosperity. Far from bringing prosperity W B is fast slipping in almost all barometers of progress, whether it is public health, education, infrastructure, housing. The W B Government is a total failure everywhere. Large number of Bangladeshis are crossing the border. All the political parties ( except BJP) go out of their way to help them ingetting voter ID card/ration card and in no time these people become Indian citizens. The demographic pattern has changed in the border areas with Muslims becoming majority in certain areas. These are the people who are recruited by the Jihadi elements indulging in terrorist activity in the country. But WB government will not touch them. The prosperity in Kerala is ONLY due to the DemandDraft economy of the state. The state has nothing to talk about.
With warm regards,
Mohan
e-mail : mohanmenons@gmail.com
I agree you are a staunch anti communist but our issue is not pro communist or anti communist we are talking abt Nuclear deals and u havent answered my worries regarding the deal which was detailed to u earlier, whenever a question is asked, you reply abt communist or any of their leader. I am Rajasekhar here not Karat and i hope you will respond to my earlier mails by going through the mail and answering the poins and facts i mentioned. Instead u r spitting venom on Communist blindly sayng communists are traitors,they may be traitors, i dont know. Our issue is Nuclear deal, please anwer my questions give me a Centrist reply.
Appucoool
Mohan Menon to me
Appu, I have replied to your issues. What I have been saying is - PLEASE SEE IF THIS WORKS OUT. You can always come out of the deal if it is against the country's interests. Comrade Nasim has provided lot of statistics. He has picked these data from Desabhimani and Peoples Democracy. Now,anybody can give any sort of information without providing the actual source. Your friends specialise in giving mutilated data which is beneficial for the party's propaganda. One thing your friend has ot mentioned is that in the long run nuclear energy will be much cheaper than coal based energy. As I have already mentioned, coal reserves in the country will not last for more than 40 years. Coal is one of the main reasons for high pollution in Eastern India. Living in South you are not aware of the havoc it can cause to the environment. Nuclear energy will work out to be cheaper than hydel power in future.It is the cleanest energy. Your friend talks about nuclear disasters. Of course disasters canhappen anywhere and the causes could be both natural and manmade.With adequate protectio accidents can always be prevented. What happened in Chernobyle ( in the erstwhile Soviet Union) was utter negiligence. The disaster happened because because of total neglect. Repeatedly you and your friend have been saying that we will be bound to USA once this deal becomes operational. It is a blatent propaganda that India will have to purchase nuclear fuel only from USA. There are 43 other countries from whom India can buy nuclear fuel. The 44 country NSG(Nuclear Suppliers Group) have stopped supplying nuclear fuel to the country after the 1999 Pokhran test. Not only this, no one can prevent us from sourcing our own nuclear fuel. Even China has signed an Agreement with USA but with much lessor concessions that were offered to India. Pakistan would like to sign but the USA is unwilling. After the collapse of Soviet Union, USA remains the only super power in the world whether the leftists like it or not.
APJ Abdul Kalam a true son of India has very unambigiously stated that the deal is good for the country. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, a person with highest integrity wants the deal to go through. I have not gone through the full text of the agreement. You too hve not gone through the Agreement. Both of us rely on what the respective leaders say. I unequivocally trust APJ Abdul Kalam and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and definitely NOT Karat and his gang. You with your leftist leanings are parroting what Deshabhimani and Peoples Democracy is churning out day in and day out. APJ and Prime Minister are patriots but the same cannot be said of your friends . The less be said about them the better and I would not like to repeat what I have said about them in my previous mails. As an individual you are one of the nicest person I have come across. Most unfortunately, you are very much biased in favour of Leftist ideology. It is highly regrettable that anintelligent person liek you could be so subjective and absolutely subservient to a particular view point. My request to you is - please be objective; do not blindly follow what your comrades preach.
Appu, I do claim myself to b a Centrist. I was and is a stringent critic of Gandhi/Nehru family.I was also initally impressed with Buddababu because what I thought he was takeing the state of West Bengal back to its days of glory when Dr B C Roy ( one of the ablest Chief Minister the country ever had. He was also one of the top physician in the country those days) industrialised the state. During his days WB was No 1 in India followed by Maharashtra.But Buddhababu unfortunately has fallen into the trap of the party and West Bengal is back to square one. I am a great admirer of Atal Bihar Vajpayee and I appreciate BJP for their principled stand against pampering of minorities soley for the purpose of creating vote banks. That is all. I do not support them for what happened in Gujarat. I support Manmohan Singh and Narasimha Rao for bringing reforms in the country which your leftist comrades had so vehementlyopposed then ( 1991). I did not support Narasimha Rao for bing a mute spectator when the Babri Masjid was demolished by the the RSS/VHP groups.Till recently I was a critic of Manmohan Singh since I found him to be unwilling to take on the Leftists who were against any form of reforms. Now that the garbage ( Leftists) has been dumped and the P M has stated that he will be going for Banking/Insurance reforms, Pension reforms, I support him. I support anyone whom I feel is interested to take the country forward. Past experience has shown that your comrades with their dogmatic ideology can never bring in prosperity. Far from bringing prosperity W B is fast slipping in almost all barometers of progress, whether it is public health, education, infrastructure, housing. The W B Government is a total failure everywhere. Large number of Bangladeshis are crossing the border. All the political parties ( except BJP) go out of their way to help them ingetting voter ID card/ration card and in no time these people become Indian citizens. The demographic pattern has changed in the border areas with Muslims becoming majority in certain areas. These are the people who are recruited by the Jihadi elements indulging in terrorist activity in the country. But WB government will not touch them. The prosperity in Kerala is ONLY due to the DemandDraft economy of the state. The state has nothing to talk about.
With warm regards,
Mohan
e-mail : mohanmenons@gmail.com
Fruit for thought (Mohans response ) Nuclear Issue
Dear Appu, I am only trying to expose the CPM which has only 1-point agenda and that is to oppose the nuclear deal. I am not interested in vague arguments which Comrade Karat repeatedly dishes out saying that it is harmful for the country. Pray, in what way is it harmful??? Karat does not specify it. I am attacking CPM because they are campaigning against the deal without any proper reasoning. And then they have no business to speak on the country's interests when they take dictation from external forces. They were traitors and are traitors. They do not love their motherland. It is they alone who are campaigning against the deal. No one can doubt the integrtity of our Prime Minister. But the same cannot be said about Karat and his gang.
I am glad to note your observation that most of the countrymen are not aware of the deal. You have talked about Iyenger who is against the deal. But you have not mentioned about APJ Abdul Kalam who is in favour of the deal. I am sure you will agree that inevery deal there is a reciprocity. What Karat and blind followers like Appu does not seem to be aware that in any sovereign deal there is give and take. It has happened everywhere in the world in the past and it is happening now and it will happen in future. The best part of the deal is that at any time we can come out of the agreement by giveing a notice. Before giving the deal a chance, you want it to be scrapped. Typically this is the way a Marxist mind works. I do not want to mention about all the blunders they have commited in the past and how they retracted and pretend that nothing has happened. You have talked about coal in India. Perhaps you are not aware that coalbased energy brings in large scale pollution and also the coal reserves will not last for more than 40 years based on our present consumption. By the way, American Dadagiri has beenaccepted by comrades from China and former comrades in Russia. It is a fact they have taken the mantle of only super power in the world. China and Pakistan along with the REDS in India are opposed to the deal. Obvioiusly Pakistan and China are the only two countires who are concerned about India;s interests. Thisis all the more reason why we should whole heartedly welcome the deal. For your information India has been boycotted by the NSG only after the 1998 explosion. Pls do your homework properly. You have got it wrong. The Boycott started after thr 1999 explosion done by the BJP government. Your talk that USA is trying to take over the Indian economy and culture is laughable. This is how the comrades brainwash the gullible upcoming commies. Of course you ar only echoeing your Marxist friends. To think that America can take over the Indian economy and culture shows how hollow you people are. This sort of stupid talk is ok with the comrades who are fed on this diet on a daily basis. Please understand that it is India and Indians who has taken over American economy. You were under influence from your Marxist friends shouting hoarse saying that globalisation will finish off our country. O the contrary it has helped India the most. Almost all the back office functions of American Corporations are done in India. It is the Americans who have lost jobs while the Indians have gained. A very large no of American Companies are headed by Indians. Indan exports ( along with the Chinses) have literally ruined American small and medium industries. One of the reason why American economy is in bad shape is because of countrires like India and China. Indians are better equipped in BPO and KPO because of their English knowledge. Dear Appu, for centuries India was subjected to hordes of invasion by Muslim rulers from WestAsia and Central Asia but our culture remains strong. America can in no way ruin our culture. Please do not ape Prakash Karat and his goons. You have a bright mind. Think logically and do not repeat what idiots like Yechury and Karat preach. Appu, your talk about NAM would have been relevant when the world was a bi-polar. It is now a UNIPOLAR world and NAM has become irrelevant. You seem to be very outdated like our present day Marxists. You seem to be fond of Iran. But in every International forum they have been denouncing India because of Kashmir issue. Theyhave openly expresssed support for the Jihadis and their terrorist activities in our country. I have no sympathy for them, Traitors like Karat may support them but not me. Last but not least, you have again got the facts wrong! Mahatma Gandhi was never a revolutionary. He was an apostle of peace who secured Independence for our couuntry through non violent means while your comrades were currying favour from the British, Soviet Union ( and Americans!!!!). And finally Prakash Karat is the new avatar of Stalin. See how he has treated Somnath, possibly the only intelligent communist in the earth. Karat without power is a demon incarnation. Just imagine what wouldbe the country's fate if this man ever comes to power. God forbid and fervantly hope such a day will never come. - Show quoted text - On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Rajasekhar V Das <appucoool@gmail.com> wrote:
I would like to remind you that i was not interested in Party politics and my concern was not that, Why have you started campaigning against CPM when I was talking about the Nuclear deal ?
In-fact like you ( Sorry if I am wrong ) most of the people in our country even the members of the parliament are not aware of the Nuclear issue. many of them doesn't know what it is, everyone thinks its just another deal between India and the US for producing electricity from Atomic energy. I f we go through we can find that the deal is Pro American and we are waiting for charity from them. I had mentioned earlier that why America is dictacting terms when we are going for a mutual treaty and you said its just American "Dadagiri" which we can just swallow, i feel this is ridiculous from your part to think so.
Studies show that India doesn't have an Energy crisis but we have Energy deficit. We are rich in Coal and other Fossil energy though the decreasing level of crude oil will effect the Global energy scenario,(America with just 2% of crude oil production and consumption of 25% of total crude oil production is exploiting the nature and lives of other people for their luxuries ). Total energy requirement for India by 2030 will rise to 770,000 MW and 550000 MW will be produced by fossil fuels and the expected production of Atomic energy is 48000 MW. If india is not signing the deal the deficit energy can be obtained from our coal reserves, though the quality of coal fuel is not standardized India has developed the technology for efficient coal fuel management, even efficient Hydrogen and Solar technology is developed ( And who is slowing down the technology ?). Most of our Hydro electric project are mismanaged and not working at its full capacity. Take the example of Kerala, its producing electricity at the cost of 35 paise per Unity ( May be the cheapest in the world ). and even now Kerala has energy deficit this is due to the shortage of Rainfall in the area, why is this happening? Instead of finding the root cause, which is the exploitation of Nature we are asking for new Dams which will further harm the Nature.
India has survived the US embargo for the last 33 since the Pokhran Nuclear test, the nation developed in Nuclear technology under BARC, we have a strong technological advancement in Silicon technology, Computer science Rocket science, Space science and we are heading towards the moon through our Chandrayan project. you can find that in-spite of the embargo we could do it. By agreeing to the 123 and the Hyde act India will open its research stations like the BARC to the American Inspectors. BARC was instituted to develop India's Civil Nuclear technology needs and the devlopment of Nuclear weapon was added to it later. So when we agree with the above treaties how can we classiffy our Reactors into Civil and Military? how can we classify our Scientists as Civil or Military ? We dont have any Idea about it, So the US, IAEA and NSG will do that job for us, Its very clear that we are going to open our Strategic area to other Nations,( Brazil is facing the same problem although they have developed Centrifuge technology for Uranium enrichment they are not able to sign agreement with IAEA as they cannot establish their Intellectual rights on it ) and this will happen in this country were we just talk about patriotism and have more importance to cheap party politics.
American aim is to intrude into our economy and our eminent culture and take control of it. You can see it in every other part of the world. and if any country is not willing to obey them will be destroyed for that they will start campaigning, Iran is facing such problem now. What authority do they have to interfere in a sovereign state like Iran ?American eye is on Oil it was the America and its Oil companies that overthrew the then government in Iran and Instated the Shah Dictatorship, almost same like in Iraq ,Afghan, Saudi
America is trying to help their companies like the General Electric, Westing House and others( America have a huge collection of Bomb grade Uranium) to sell or Dump their Nuclear resources to countries like India which they couldn't do for the last 33 years. And of course Indian corporate will have Interest in the 150 Billion US dollar business (Is that a mistake? i thinks its more than that) and will try serving their masters there to loot this country, Where a huge population is economically and socially downtrodden (Just Look around you).
Eminent scientists like Dr Aiyengar and others related to India Department of Atomic energy has expressed worries on this issue. as they feel the treaty will hinder the development of our Indigenous technology. and of-course that will be a crime to the future Generation were a situation will arise we start working for American companies ( Its that we are doing in our IT Sector now ), more over the disaster the Nuclear waste will create,( India will become America's Test ground and of course we will be paid for that and our Economy will grow higher along with the Poverty )
India was a country which had clear and strong foreign policies,(NAM) India was never for any imbalance in the world order, and what are we doing now? The government is pleading to the nation for the support of their foreign policy Bribing Members of Parliament ( Is that an example ?) and should we do that ?
This will happen in the country where we forget our History, where we deny the great revolutionary Mahatma Gandhi and his vision and we will follow the new Gandhi who is setting the path for the American Order
Rajasekhar V Dasappucoool@gmail.com
-- With warm regards,
Mohan
I am glad to note your observation that most of the countrymen are not aware of the deal. You have talked about Iyenger who is against the deal. But you have not mentioned about APJ Abdul Kalam who is in favour of the deal. I am sure you will agree that inevery deal there is a reciprocity. What Karat and blind followers like Appu does not seem to be aware that in any sovereign deal there is give and take. It has happened everywhere in the world in the past and it is happening now and it will happen in future. The best part of the deal is that at any time we can come out of the agreement by giveing a notice. Before giving the deal a chance, you want it to be scrapped. Typically this is the way a Marxist mind works. I do not want to mention about all the blunders they have commited in the past and how they retracted and pretend that nothing has happened. You have talked about coal in India. Perhaps you are not aware that coalbased energy brings in large scale pollution and also the coal reserves will not last for more than 40 years based on our present consumption. By the way, American Dadagiri has beenaccepted by comrades from China and former comrades in Russia. It is a fact they have taken the mantle of only super power in the world. China and Pakistan along with the REDS in India are opposed to the deal. Obvioiusly Pakistan and China are the only two countires who are concerned about India;s interests. Thisis all the more reason why we should whole heartedly welcome the deal. For your information India has been boycotted by the NSG only after the 1998 explosion. Pls do your homework properly. You have got it wrong. The Boycott started after thr 1999 explosion done by the BJP government. Your talk that USA is trying to take over the Indian economy and culture is laughable. This is how the comrades brainwash the gullible upcoming commies. Of course you ar only echoeing your Marxist friends. To think that America can take over the Indian economy and culture shows how hollow you people are. This sort of stupid talk is ok with the comrades who are fed on this diet on a daily basis. Please understand that it is India and Indians who has taken over American economy. You were under influence from your Marxist friends shouting hoarse saying that globalisation will finish off our country. O the contrary it has helped India the most. Almost all the back office functions of American Corporations are done in India. It is the Americans who have lost jobs while the Indians have gained. A very large no of American Companies are headed by Indians. Indan exports ( along with the Chinses) have literally ruined American small and medium industries. One of the reason why American economy is in bad shape is because of countrires like India and China. Indians are better equipped in BPO and KPO because of their English knowledge. Dear Appu, for centuries India was subjected to hordes of invasion by Muslim rulers from WestAsia and Central Asia but our culture remains strong. America can in no way ruin our culture. Please do not ape Prakash Karat and his goons. You have a bright mind. Think logically and do not repeat what idiots like Yechury and Karat preach. Appu, your talk about NAM would have been relevant when the world was a bi-polar. It is now a UNIPOLAR world and NAM has become irrelevant. You seem to be very outdated like our present day Marxists. You seem to be fond of Iran. But in every International forum they have been denouncing India because of Kashmir issue. Theyhave openly expresssed support for the Jihadis and their terrorist activities in our country. I have no sympathy for them, Traitors like Karat may support them but not me. Last but not least, you have again got the facts wrong! Mahatma Gandhi was never a revolutionary. He was an apostle of peace who secured Independence for our couuntry through non violent means while your comrades were currying favour from the British, Soviet Union ( and Americans!!!!). And finally Prakash Karat is the new avatar of Stalin. See how he has treated Somnath, possibly the only intelligent communist in the earth. Karat without power is a demon incarnation. Just imagine what wouldbe the country's fate if this man ever comes to power. God forbid and fervantly hope such a day will never come. - Show quoted text - On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Rajasekhar V Das <appucoool@gmail.com> wrote:
I would like to remind you that i was not interested in Party politics and my concern was not that, Why have you started campaigning against CPM when I was talking about the Nuclear deal ?
In-fact like you ( Sorry if I am wrong ) most of the people in our country even the members of the parliament are not aware of the Nuclear issue. many of them doesn't know what it is, everyone thinks its just another deal between India and the US for producing electricity from Atomic energy. I f we go through we can find that the deal is Pro American and we are waiting for charity from them. I had mentioned earlier that why America is dictacting terms when we are going for a mutual treaty and you said its just American "Dadagiri" which we can just swallow, i feel this is ridiculous from your part to think so.
Studies show that India doesn't have an Energy crisis but we have Energy deficit. We are rich in Coal and other Fossil energy though the decreasing level of crude oil will effect the Global energy scenario,(America with just 2% of crude oil production and consumption of 25% of total crude oil production is exploiting the nature and lives of other people for their luxuries ). Total energy requirement for India by 2030 will rise to 770,000 MW and 550000 MW will be produced by fossil fuels and the expected production of Atomic energy is 48000 MW. If india is not signing the deal the deficit energy can be obtained from our coal reserves, though the quality of coal fuel is not standardized India has developed the technology for efficient coal fuel management, even efficient Hydrogen and Solar technology is developed ( And who is slowing down the technology ?). Most of our Hydro electric project are mismanaged and not working at its full capacity. Take the example of Kerala, its producing electricity at the cost of 35 paise per Unity ( May be the cheapest in the world ). and even now Kerala has energy deficit this is due to the shortage of Rainfall in the area, why is this happening? Instead of finding the root cause, which is the exploitation of Nature we are asking for new Dams which will further harm the Nature.
India has survived the US embargo for the last 33 since the Pokhran Nuclear test, the nation developed in Nuclear technology under BARC, we have a strong technological advancement in Silicon technology, Computer science Rocket science, Space science and we are heading towards the moon through our Chandrayan project. you can find that in-spite of the embargo we could do it. By agreeing to the 123 and the Hyde act India will open its research stations like the BARC to the American Inspectors. BARC was instituted to develop India's Civil Nuclear technology needs and the devlopment of Nuclear weapon was added to it later. So when we agree with the above treaties how can we classiffy our Reactors into Civil and Military? how can we classify our Scientists as Civil or Military ? We dont have any Idea about it, So the US, IAEA and NSG will do that job for us, Its very clear that we are going to open our Strategic area to other Nations,( Brazil is facing the same problem although they have developed Centrifuge technology for Uranium enrichment they are not able to sign agreement with IAEA as they cannot establish their Intellectual rights on it ) and this will happen in this country were we just talk about patriotism and have more importance to cheap party politics.
American aim is to intrude into our economy and our eminent culture and take control of it. You can see it in every other part of the world. and if any country is not willing to obey them will be destroyed for that they will start campaigning, Iran is facing such problem now. What authority do they have to interfere in a sovereign state like Iran ?American eye is on Oil it was the America and its Oil companies that overthrew the then government in Iran and Instated the Shah Dictatorship, almost same like in Iraq ,Afghan, Saudi
America is trying to help their companies like the General Electric, Westing House and others( America have a huge collection of Bomb grade Uranium) to sell or Dump their Nuclear resources to countries like India which they couldn't do for the last 33 years. And of course Indian corporate will have Interest in the 150 Billion US dollar business (Is that a mistake? i thinks its more than that) and will try serving their masters there to loot this country, Where a huge population is economically and socially downtrodden (Just Look around you).
Eminent scientists like Dr Aiyengar and others related to India Department of Atomic energy has expressed worries on this issue. as they feel the treaty will hinder the development of our Indigenous technology. and of-course that will be a crime to the future Generation were a situation will arise we start working for American companies ( Its that we are doing in our IT Sector now ), more over the disaster the Nuclear waste will create,( India will become America's Test ground and of course we will be paid for that and our Economy will grow higher along with the Poverty )
India was a country which had clear and strong foreign policies,(NAM) India was never for any imbalance in the world order, and what are we doing now? The government is pleading to the nation for the support of their foreign policy Bribing Members of Parliament ( Is that an example ?) and should we do that ?
This will happen in the country where we forget our History, where we deny the great revolutionary Mahatma Gandhi and his vision and we will follow the new Gandhi who is setting the path for the American Order
Rajasekhar V Dasappucoool@gmail.com
-- With warm regards,
Mohan
Fruit for Thought ( Nuclear Issue )
I would like to remind you that i was not interested in Party politics and my concern was not that, Why have you started campaigning against CPM when I was talking about the Nuclear deal ?
In-fact like you ( Sorry if I am wrong ) most of the people in our country even the members of the parliament are not aware of the Nuclear issue. many of them doesn't know what it is, everyone thinks its just another deal between India and the US for producing electricity from Atomic energy. I f we go through we can find that the deal is Pro American and we are waiting for charity from them. I had mentioned earlier that why America is dictacting terms when we are going for a mutual treaty and you said its just American "Dadagiri" which we can just swallow, i feel this is ridiculous from your part to think so.
Studies show that India doesn't have an Energy crisis but we have Energy deficit. We are rich in Coal and other Fossil energy though the decreasing level of crude oil will effect the Global energy scenario,(America with just 2% of crude oil production and consumption of 25% of total crude oil production is exploiting the nature and lives of other people for their luxuries ). Total energy requirement for India by 2030 will rise to 770,000 MW and 550000 MW will be produced by fossil fuels and the expected production of Atomic energy is 48000 MW. If india is not signing the deal the deficit energy can be obtained from our coal reserves, though the quality of coal fuel is not standardized India has developed the technology for efficient coal fuel management, even efficient Hydrogen and Solar technology is developed ( And who is slowing down the technology ?). Most of our Hydro electric project are mismanaged and not working at its full capacity. Take the example of Kerala, its producing electricity at the cost of 35 paise per Unity ( May be the cheapest in the world ). and even now Kerala has energy deficit this is due to the shortage of Rainfall in the area, why is this happening? Instead of finding the root cause, which is the exploitation of Nature we are asking for new Dams which will further harm the Nature.
India has survived the US embargo for the last 33 since the Pokhran Nuclear test, the nation developed in Nuclear technology under BARC, we have a strong technological advancement in Silicon technology, Computer science Rocket science, Space science and we are heading towards the moon through our Chandrayan project. you can find that in-spite of the embargo we could do it. By agreeing to the 123 and the Hyde act India will open its research stations like the BARC to the American Inspectors. BARC was instituted to develop India's Civil Nuclear technology needs and the devlopment of Nuclear weapon was added to it later. So when we agree with the above treaties how can we classiffy our Reactors into Civil and Military? how can we classify our Scientists as Civil or Military ? We dont have any Idea about it, So the US, IAEA and NSG will do that job for us, Its very clear that we are going to open our Strategic area to other Nations,( Brazil is facing the same problem although they have developed Centrifuge technology for Uranium enrichment they are not able to sign agreement with IAEA as they cannot establish their Intellectual rights on it ) and this will happen in this country were we just talk about patriotism and have more importance to cheap party politics.
American aim is to intrude into our economy and our eminent culture and take control of it. You can see it in every other part of the world. and if any country is not willing to obey them will be destroyed for that they will start campaigning, Iran is facing such problem now. What authority do they have to interfere in a sovereign state like Iran ?American eye is on Oil it was the America and its Oil companies that overthrew the then government in Iran and Instated the Shah Dictatorship, almost same like in Iraq ,Afghan, Saudi
America is trying to help their companies like the General Electric, Westing House and others( America have a huge collection of Bomb grade Uranium) to sell or Dump their Nuclear resources to countries like India which they couldn't do for the last 33 years. And of course Indian corporate will have Interest in the 150 Billion US dollar business (Is that a mistake? i thinks its more than that) and will try serving their masters there to loot this country, Where a huge population is economically and socially downtrodden (Just Look around you).
Eminent scientists like Dr Aiyengar and others related to India Department of Atomic energy has expressed worries on this issue. as they feel the treaty will hinder the development of our Indigenous technology. and of-course that will be a crime to the future Generation were a situation will arise we start working for American companies ( Its that we are doing in our IT Sector now ), more over the disaster the Nuclear waste will create,( India will become America's Test ground and of course we will be paid for that and our Economy will grow higher along with the Poverty )
India was a country which had clear and strong foreign policies,(NAM) India was never for any imbalance in the world order, and what are we doing now? The government is pleading to the nation for the support of their foreign policy Bribing Members of Parliament ( Is that an example ?) and should we do that ?
This will happen in the country where we forget our History, where we deny the great revolutionary Mahatma Gandhi and his vision and we will follow the new Gandhi who is setting the path for the American Order
Rajasekhar V Dasappucoool@gmail.com
In-fact like you ( Sorry if I am wrong ) most of the people in our country even the members of the parliament are not aware of the Nuclear issue. many of them doesn't know what it is, everyone thinks its just another deal between India and the US for producing electricity from Atomic energy. I f we go through we can find that the deal is Pro American and we are waiting for charity from them. I had mentioned earlier that why America is dictacting terms when we are going for a mutual treaty and you said its just American "Dadagiri" which we can just swallow, i feel this is ridiculous from your part to think so.
Studies show that India doesn't have an Energy crisis but we have Energy deficit. We are rich in Coal and other Fossil energy though the decreasing level of crude oil will effect the Global energy scenario,(America with just 2% of crude oil production and consumption of 25% of total crude oil production is exploiting the nature and lives of other people for their luxuries ). Total energy requirement for India by 2030 will rise to 770,000 MW and 550000 MW will be produced by fossil fuels and the expected production of Atomic energy is 48000 MW. If india is not signing the deal the deficit energy can be obtained from our coal reserves, though the quality of coal fuel is not standardized India has developed the technology for efficient coal fuel management, even efficient Hydrogen and Solar technology is developed ( And who is slowing down the technology ?). Most of our Hydro electric project are mismanaged and not working at its full capacity. Take the example of Kerala, its producing electricity at the cost of 35 paise per Unity ( May be the cheapest in the world ). and even now Kerala has energy deficit this is due to the shortage of Rainfall in the area, why is this happening? Instead of finding the root cause, which is the exploitation of Nature we are asking for new Dams which will further harm the Nature.
India has survived the US embargo for the last 33 since the Pokhran Nuclear test, the nation developed in Nuclear technology under BARC, we have a strong technological advancement in Silicon technology, Computer science Rocket science, Space science and we are heading towards the moon through our Chandrayan project. you can find that in-spite of the embargo we could do it. By agreeing to the 123 and the Hyde act India will open its research stations like the BARC to the American Inspectors. BARC was instituted to develop India's Civil Nuclear technology needs and the devlopment of Nuclear weapon was added to it later. So when we agree with the above treaties how can we classiffy our Reactors into Civil and Military? how can we classify our Scientists as Civil or Military ? We dont have any Idea about it, So the US, IAEA and NSG will do that job for us, Its very clear that we are going to open our Strategic area to other Nations,( Brazil is facing the same problem although they have developed Centrifuge technology for Uranium enrichment they are not able to sign agreement with IAEA as they cannot establish their Intellectual rights on it ) and this will happen in this country were we just talk about patriotism and have more importance to cheap party politics.
American aim is to intrude into our economy and our eminent culture and take control of it. You can see it in every other part of the world. and if any country is not willing to obey them will be destroyed for that they will start campaigning, Iran is facing such problem now. What authority do they have to interfere in a sovereign state like Iran ?American eye is on Oil it was the America and its Oil companies that overthrew the then government in Iran and Instated the Shah Dictatorship, almost same like in Iraq ,Afghan, Saudi
America is trying to help their companies like the General Electric, Westing House and others( America have a huge collection of Bomb grade Uranium) to sell or Dump their Nuclear resources to countries like India which they couldn't do for the last 33 years. And of course Indian corporate will have Interest in the 150 Billion US dollar business (Is that a mistake? i thinks its more than that) and will try serving their masters there to loot this country, Where a huge population is economically and socially downtrodden (Just Look around you).
Eminent scientists like Dr Aiyengar and others related to India Department of Atomic energy has expressed worries on this issue. as they feel the treaty will hinder the development of our Indigenous technology. and of-course that will be a crime to the future Generation were a situation will arise we start working for American companies ( Its that we are doing in our IT Sector now ), more over the disaster the Nuclear waste will create,( India will become America's Test ground and of course we will be paid for that and our Economy will grow higher along with the Poverty )
India was a country which had clear and strong foreign policies,(NAM) India was never for any imbalance in the world order, and what are we doing now? The government is pleading to the nation for the support of their foreign policy Bribing Members of Parliament ( Is that an example ?) and should we do that ?
This will happen in the country where we forget our History, where we deny the great revolutionary Mahatma Gandhi and his vision and we will follow the new Gandhi who is setting the path for the American Order
Rajasekhar V Dasappucoool@gmail.com
Letter of an Indian leftist ( Reply from Mohan )
Mohan Menon to me
Jul 6 Reply
I feel The Nuclear pact is in the country;s interests. As you know we have been barred by the NSG (Nuclear suppliers group - a 44 nation nuclear fuel supplying group of countries) from acquiring fuel to run our nuclear plants. At present the plants are running with bare minimum capacity or some are not even running, ultimately rendering some of these highly expensive plants becoming scraps. Our civilian use of nuclear energy has thus gone for a toss. I do admit that the agreement do contain certain prohibitory clauses. The main clause of contention is that we cannot conduct further nuclear tests. But then no country in this earth is conducting physical nuclear tests since they are no longer required because these could be done by simulated tests in computer. When India approached Russia for supply of nuclear fuel, they politely declined and advised us to sign an agreement with USA. Other friendly nations like France too declined. Whether you agree or not the American "dadagiri" is a fact of life which all the countries including China have accepted. How can USA have "grip" over India. India will not be getting nuclear fuel from USA alone; there are 43 other countries from whom we can access nuclear fuel once the agreement is signed. It is strange that comrades pretend that they are not aware that India can come out of the treaty any time by simply giving a notice. The country will only be benefiting since we will be on the path to self sufficiency in our energy requirements. Blindly opposing USA is madness. Today only two countries are opposing India signing an agreement with USA - I'm sure you need not be a pundit to guess. Yes, it is China and Pakistan. Obviously they do not want our country to grow. And our desi comrades are giving company to them. If you study the history of communists in India, you will observe that they have never been loyal to their motherland. In 1942 during the quit India movement, they openly opposed the movement because it was causing difficulties for the British in war against the axis forces ( Germany Italy and Japan). Soviet Union was then with USA and Britain. Under specific orders from Stalin they had opposed Quit India movement and were openly supporting British. Again in 1962 when China invaded India our great comrade EMS openly supported China. Not only EMS, Jyoti Basu, Basavapunniah, Ranadive, Promode Dasgupta Dange, all supported Chinese attack. Even now China has laid claims to Arunachal Pradesh but not once will our comrades say a word against the Chinese. There are 'n' number of examples of the treachory of our comrades. For them the party is supreme. Even motherland is secondary to party. Whatever rubbish decision is taken by the party they would follow without blinking an eyelid even if it means opposing our own country. Please be objective and do not be led by what your comrades preach. Correct me if I am wrong. Please explain how our National Security can be compromised by signing the agreement. By your logic, it would appear that both China and Pakistan is very much worried that India's security would be compromised by signing agreement with USA.- Show quoted text -
On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Rajasekhar V Das <appucoool@gmail.com> wrote:
I am sending my views, lets put this in forum of our Madhuravanam Community so we can discuss such things with our members and i am more inersted in listening to ur thinking It will be more interesting for u as u like to discuss and write on such issues
Personally i feel India should not sign the nuclear pact as it will be against the National security.We need energy and we should find alternatives other than depending America. Its not coz left have blind political view against America. Every matters including the international issues are discussed from the root level and party views are according to it and i dont think Karat can easily change the party's views. Personally i feel America is trying to have a grip over India, You can see that even now. U can see America dictating terms, How can they do that when we r going for a mutual understanding? America is facing a Major fuel crisis their colonies in the middle east has dried up they need new resources and also need to back up their petro dollar economy, so they need wars and more colonies. They will start intruding into the civil issues of other countries and give arms to the fighting locals, so they can colonize that regions. You can see that happening from Saudi Arabia to Iraq, next the Iran and more diplomatically to India. As a developing major India should put more efforts into researches to find alternative sources of Energy like Hydrogen Plants, Solar, Tidal and many other such technlgies. If we study closely we can find out who is slowing down such technology, to protect vested interests of Oil companies and a Nation with 2% of Crude oil production and a Criminal consumption of 1/4th of total crude oil production of the world for luxury at others cost. When countries like India, Africa, and other under developed countries which consumes less crude oil energy and pays more for it, America sells fuel for less than the price of a bottle of water and whom should we listen to ? I do-not think America is the answer....and its sure that American enemies will target India in the future....Of course we should have the will to fight against such terrorism..But for who's interest ? As i said Karat is the secretary of a Party which studies all issues in party circles and intellectuals including scientists to formulate a Party Manifesto a political stand.or political strategy which the party think is for a Nation which have major part of its Population Socially and economically weak. They surely thinks that the American order should not be the order of the world. Though inspired from the communist ideology what i think is that they have to find a better adaptation of it for India, which has enormous culture, history and geography.
Appucoool
-- With warm regards,
Mohan
Jul 6 Reply
I feel The Nuclear pact is in the country;s interests. As you know we have been barred by the NSG (Nuclear suppliers group - a 44 nation nuclear fuel supplying group of countries) from acquiring fuel to run our nuclear plants. At present the plants are running with bare minimum capacity or some are not even running, ultimately rendering some of these highly expensive plants becoming scraps. Our civilian use of nuclear energy has thus gone for a toss. I do admit that the agreement do contain certain prohibitory clauses. The main clause of contention is that we cannot conduct further nuclear tests. But then no country in this earth is conducting physical nuclear tests since they are no longer required because these could be done by simulated tests in computer. When India approached Russia for supply of nuclear fuel, they politely declined and advised us to sign an agreement with USA. Other friendly nations like France too declined. Whether you agree or not the American "dadagiri" is a fact of life which all the countries including China have accepted. How can USA have "grip" over India. India will not be getting nuclear fuel from USA alone; there are 43 other countries from whom we can access nuclear fuel once the agreement is signed. It is strange that comrades pretend that they are not aware that India can come out of the treaty any time by simply giving a notice. The country will only be benefiting since we will be on the path to self sufficiency in our energy requirements. Blindly opposing USA is madness. Today only two countries are opposing India signing an agreement with USA - I'm sure you need not be a pundit to guess. Yes, it is China and Pakistan. Obviously they do not want our country to grow. And our desi comrades are giving company to them. If you study the history of communists in India, you will observe that they have never been loyal to their motherland. In 1942 during the quit India movement, they openly opposed the movement because it was causing difficulties for the British in war against the axis forces ( Germany Italy and Japan). Soviet Union was then with USA and Britain. Under specific orders from Stalin they had opposed Quit India movement and were openly supporting British. Again in 1962 when China invaded India our great comrade EMS openly supported China. Not only EMS, Jyoti Basu, Basavapunniah, Ranadive, Promode Dasgupta Dange, all supported Chinese attack. Even now China has laid claims to Arunachal Pradesh but not once will our comrades say a word against the Chinese. There are 'n' number of examples of the treachory of our comrades. For them the party is supreme. Even motherland is secondary to party. Whatever rubbish decision is taken by the party they would follow without blinking an eyelid even if it means opposing our own country. Please be objective and do not be led by what your comrades preach. Correct me if I am wrong. Please explain how our National Security can be compromised by signing the agreement. By your logic, it would appear that both China and Pakistan is very much worried that India's security would be compromised by signing agreement with USA.- Show quoted text -
On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Rajasekhar V Das <appucoool@gmail.com> wrote:
I am sending my views, lets put this in forum of our Madhuravanam Community so we can discuss such things with our members and i am more inersted in listening to ur thinking It will be more interesting for u as u like to discuss and write on such issues
Personally i feel India should not sign the nuclear pact as it will be against the National security.We need energy and we should find alternatives other than depending America. Its not coz left have blind political view against America. Every matters including the international issues are discussed from the root level and party views are according to it and i dont think Karat can easily change the party's views. Personally i feel America is trying to have a grip over India, You can see that even now. U can see America dictating terms, How can they do that when we r going for a mutual understanding? America is facing a Major fuel crisis their colonies in the middle east has dried up they need new resources and also need to back up their petro dollar economy, so they need wars and more colonies. They will start intruding into the civil issues of other countries and give arms to the fighting locals, so they can colonize that regions. You can see that happening from Saudi Arabia to Iraq, next the Iran and more diplomatically to India. As a developing major India should put more efforts into researches to find alternative sources of Energy like Hydrogen Plants, Solar, Tidal and many other such technlgies. If we study closely we can find out who is slowing down such technology, to protect vested interests of Oil companies and a Nation with 2% of Crude oil production and a Criminal consumption of 1/4th of total crude oil production of the world for luxury at others cost. When countries like India, Africa, and other under developed countries which consumes less crude oil energy and pays more for it, America sells fuel for less than the price of a bottle of water and whom should we listen to ? I do-not think America is the answer....and its sure that American enemies will target India in the future....Of course we should have the will to fight against such terrorism..But for who's interest ? As i said Karat is the secretary of a Party which studies all issues in party circles and intellectuals including scientists to formulate a Party Manifesto a political stand.or political strategy which the party think is for a Nation which have major part of its Population Socially and economically weak. They surely thinks that the American order should not be the order of the world. Though inspired from the communist ideology what i think is that they have to find a better adaptation of it for India, which has enormous culture, history and geography.
Appucoool
-- With warm regards,
Mohan
Letter of an Indian leftist ( Nuclear Deal )
I am sending my views, Personally i feel India should not sign the nuclear pact as it will be against the National security.We need energy and we should find alternatives other than depending America. Its not coz left have blind political view against America. Every matters including the international issues are discussed from the root level and party views are according to it and i dont think Karat can easily change the party's views. Personally i feel America is trying to have a grip over India, You can see that even now. U can see America dictating terms, How can they do that when we r going for a mutual understanding? America is facing a Major fuel crisis their colonies in the middle east has dried up they need new resources and also need to back up their petro dollar economy, so they need wars and more colonies. They will start intruding into the civil issues of other countries and give arms to the fighting locals, so they can colonize that regions. You can see that happening from Saudi Arabia to Iraq, next the Iran and more diplomatically to India. As a developing major India should put more efforts into researches to find alternative sources of Energy like Hydrogen Plants, Solar, Tidal and many other such technlgies. If we study closely we can find out who is slowing down such technology, to protect vested interests of Oil companies and a Nation with 2% of Crude oil production and a Criminal consumption of 1/4th of total crude oil production of the world for luxury at others cost. When countries like India, Africa, and other under developed countries which consumes less crude oil energy and pays more for it, America sells fuel for less than the price of a bottle of water and whom should we listen to ? I do-not think America is the answer....and its sure that American enemies will target India in the future....Of course we should have the will to fight against such terrorism..But for who's interest ? As i said Karat is the secretary of a Party which studies all issues in party circles and intellectuals including scientists to formulate a Party Manifesto a political stand.or political strategy which the party think is for a Nation which have major part of its Population Socially and economically weak. They surely thinks that the American order should not be the order of the world. Though inspired from the communist ideology what i think is that they have to find a better adaptation of it for India, which has enormous culture, history and geography.
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